The sex scene is very tastefully done, in my opinion. There is some very brief female nudity but the rest is done in shadows. I wouldn't consider it graphic, but perhaps youtube does. Unfortunately you did miss some stuff, yes.
Is that sex scene to graphic? I found this movie on youtube and just watched it. It left of when the man was waiting in the desert with his van, talking about a crow making him poop his pants, then youtube blocks the next parts and it starts on with a man and two woman and Raphael goes in there, bites his ear off and kills him. So I think I missed some very essential scenes.
I did not cry until the very end when Rapael is saying goodbye to his kids and his wife, knowing he would never see them again because he had to go off and die. GOD. This movie makes you thankful for what you do have.
I can't even imagine saying goodbye to my family for the last time. I just start crying thinking about it. Johnny is good at pulling on the heart strings. This is not the first movie of his to make me cry.
So, two things have got me thinking about The Brave.
First, Phiglilly saying that Daniel Depp was positively shocked that anyone in the States actually looks at The Brave (see thread Loser's Town).
Second, Heather's comment that the film is actually on You Tube.
Now, I own one of the Korean copies of the film, and I have never seen it to completion due to the general buzz on it. So I'm thinking it's a d*mn shame that Johnny and his brother think no one likes the film, and maybe we should try harder to watch it, do it justice so to speak-----
So I watch it late last night (should have been sleeping) on You Tube instead of my Korean model and sh*t -- don't buy the Korean one!! You Tube is much more complete (except the love scene, which seems messed up everywhere -- though I can't understand why. It is so gentle. )
Anyway, we gotta do something about spreading the word on this film. I want to pull this thing off the mothballs and push it. Let everyone know where it is, and how good it is. Revitalize our The Brave thread. Talk it up on other sites. Increase the rate of people watching it until it is OBVIOUS that this movie has a strong loyal, though small, group of fans and deserves to be released in the US in the exact form it is intended to be seen. How many of these things have to be sold for someone to agree to do this? Can't be that many. Surely we can talk it up enough here that new Deppos will check it out, and we can ask people to have their friends check it out etc. The view rates will crank on You Tube and more people will check it out -- little things start big changes sometimes.
Also, oddly enough, viewing it in small segments also helps the intensity level. I found myself fascinated by every detail, every word, camera shot etc. It was a totally different experience than sitting there with everyone's "this is really intense" vibe in my head. Suddenly I am looking at the techical aspects, the quality of the actors, the flow of the thing. And Johnny -- he looks so fine in this movie, and that alone is a good reason to spread the message. Watch The Brave-- Watch The Brave. Sh*t man, if we can hit a button enough to get the guy a "teen choice" award, we can get his movie seen, yes?
I would like us to TALK about it too -- you know like a movie club. Yes. Am I crazy??? And I know posting this here, in this little corner of a small area isn't likely to gather attention. So, I probably will post a wee note on other areas, just to stimulate stuff.
We can do this. No one should believe this isn't an excellent movie that needs to be considered an important part of what you know if you are a Johnny fan.
No one should believe this isn't an excellent movie that needs to be considered an important part of what you know if you are a Johnny fan.
What happened at Cannes really is a dirty shame. I've shown The Brave to many people who are fans of Johnny's films but don't necessarily see every single one the day it opens like I do, and the reaction has always been the same. They are amazed that they've never even heard of the movie, and when I tell them what happened at Cannes and why it was never released in the US, they're appalled. It is a good movie! It's terrible that all that is known about it here, if anything is known at all, is that it was panned by critics at a big film festival.
Although Daniel Depp said he would love for it to be released in the US in some way, he also said he isn't sure Johnny would be into the idea. He didn't say Johnny wouldn't be into it, he said he didn't know if he would be. I thought it was promising that the film was sitting out on a table because the last time I remember it being mentioned at all by Johnny was in an interview several years ago, it may have been the Interview magazine with Lili Taylor, I'm sure it was an interview with someone he knows personally, and the person said they'd love to see The Brave and he said it was locked away in storage. Does this ring any bells with anyone else? Maybe it was Winona Ryder? Damn! I really should save magazines. Anyway, the fact that it isn't locked away somewhere is a hopeful sign that at least he's revisiting it in some way.
This is the first time I've wished he was active on fan sites. Maybe they could come up with a way for fans to buy a director's cut DVD direct from IN or Scaramanga Brothers, whoever, without having to deal with an official release.
Yeah. I did a little researching, a very very little, and I think it would be possible to have a short run of it done for not really that much money. I would really like to own the version he intended.
In terms of his feelings, that is very important to me. I wouldn't press something that he was against. IF however we are talking about a small run, enough to appease those of us that feel we have a right to the correct version, perhaps it wouldn't be a problem for him. Perhaps it's the thought of a major re-release with attendant (sp?) reviews that is the problem.
Well, let's see if we can get some interest here, and ask around other sites. -- I don't have posting rights anywhere but here, so will have to leave that to someone else. Don't think that level of inquiry will cause anxiety.
Also, I checked the you tube view rates. Part One 33,000 views and then it falls off to about 10,000 per each remaining part. I never knew it was there however. How many others are in a similar situation. Finding things on You Tube is like searching my kids' bedroom!
Post by emmabovary on Mar 13, 2009 20:57:17 GMT -5
I could be wrong but I've been going on the assumption that neither released version is the "right" version and that they would want to re-edit before releasing it again. Meaning a lot of work and not just a matter of finding a distributor. (I don't really know--am I wrong about that?) I would love to see it get some kind of release here, especially if it were reworked to be the film they wanted it to be. I'm surprised it's on youtube--I guess they don't care much about copyright infringement because they never expected to sell it here. If you're thinking of a letter/s, signatures, whatever, I'm in.
I guess I have two goals: letting them know people here are interested and getting a decent version available that is as complete as possible.
So, signatures could work I guess -- but to where? And how would we know anyone actually "got" the message. Shadow play.
If not signatures the slow and steady increase of people seeing the film, talking about it on fan sites, and mentioning it.
I have such mixed feelings about anything that would involve reworking it. I don't think there is anything wrong with it, except it's obvious that things are missing. As an artist I can't imagine re-opening something that has stood for so long as "one thing". He can't go back in time and whether he now views it as "imperfect" or not is really not the point. The point is rather that it should be available, like an author's complete set of written works is available. It represents then and that time and that's all it needs to be.
I also went back tonight looking for some of the old critics remarks and was surprised to find some still out there. I read at least one, perhaps two, from the Cannes showing. Several complaints: takes itself too seriously, poor script, no characters you could feel good about and it looked too dark.
Eh. If the exact same movie had been made without Johnny it would have received excellent reviews. I don't think they expected the movie he made, and didn't know how to react to it. For example, the script. There really isn't a whole h*ll of a lot of dialogue, but realism would require that -- the people he is telling this story about wouldn't be doing that. Characters? I thought the kids were great, the people living in the camp and at the bar were interesting and even somewhat funny. I thought it was beautiful in terms of the images, particularly the inside of the trailer and the lights at night, so much of it really. It "feels" black and white and I like that. It is a simple harsh tale that is told and filmed with beauty.
Very european of course, but there are American film-makers that work like this too, lots and lots -- but they don't have big shiny names. I don't think it should have been shown at Cannes. No reason to do that. Some movies you just lay down and let people wander around and find it very slowly. So we are --- we just need a decent copy.
Post by howlongmustiwait on Mar 14, 2009 12:55:55 GMT -5
Sounds like YouTube did some editing - when I watched it on there ( I can't believe it's still there! ) the love scene was there - I believe wholly there as well *thinks* I'm all for whatever can be done to get this released here. A letter to Johnny maybe? IDK. All I know is that The Brave s one powerful and amazing movie. Just what is needed in this day and age - something to remind people of what is REALLY important.
Welll now , I've collected about 3-4 statements of interest. Not enough guys to get this to happen. Need to think outside the box.
1. I am going to collect names I think -- so if you want to be included PM me and I will keep track of you. We have to collect more than 10 or 20 names though, so I need to think more
2. Do you belong to another JD fan site? Would you be willing to send out a message that we are collecting a petition of names to get The Brave released on dvd in the US and need to show there is interest? (How to get the names from that site to us might involve you acting as a liaison).
3. Will you chat up your friends that have seen The Brave (probably cause you pushed it on them) and get them to give us their names? If you are in school and there is a film club (and you have a copy), can you get the film shown? Are you a film student?
4. If you have ANY other bright ideas -- other active sites you belong to who you think include people willing to sign petitions etc. -- please let me know.
For all of the above, I am willing to write a letter explaining the entire idea that can be attached to your post.
I think we need at least 100 names.
I need the owners or administration folks of fan sites to sign on also to give our petition additional credibility. I don't expect this to happen until the list starts to grow.
Given the kinds of things that are happening across out country due to the economy (tent cities, incredible increases in people in shelters) The Brave is a pertinent little piece of art. It says a lot. It gets people thinking about the horrific dilemmas many face.
PLEASE be positive about this project. It is not impossible to accomplish. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help you get the word out. And, all other good ideas are welcome.
I will continue to search for good reviews to motivate our own membership.